Openrailwaymap May 2020

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hello, an introduction
by garry.keenor＠gmail.com 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

Hello! I'm a railway electrification engineer working in the UK, and a small group of us are planning to produce an electrification-focused map of the UK rail network using OSM data. We are aware of your ongoing project, and it is clear from chat on your github that you have plans to add an electrification view at some point. I wanted to introduce us and let you know that we exist; and to let you know that we are not intending to compete with your much bigger project, but rather produce something fairly quickly to inform the ongoing debate about decarbonisation and further electrification in the UK. We are also thinking about how we represent a couple of electrification features that we have in the UK that the existing tag scheme does not support, and wondered if we could collaborate on that aspect. Garry Keenor

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Using pzb and lzb absence for "no train protection"
by JJJ Wegdam 13 Jun '20

13 Jun '20

Dear ORM community, As far as I know, the signalling layer renders train protection absence as soon as a way contains railway:pzb=no and railway:lzb=no. I implemented this throughout over 10 European countries. A user from Belgium is now complaining about this. He argues that Belgium doesn't have the PZB nor the LZB system anywhere in the country and that thus these tags should not be in the country. Could you please provide your thoughts on this complaint? You can contribute to the discussion at https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85628039#map=13/50.8173/4.3336 or reply to this email. Best regards, Jeroen

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owner_change and border
by Eckhard M 23 May '20

23 May '20

Hi all, I have seen that railway=owner_change is used not only for real owner changes but even for district borders etc. From my understanding that is not meant by the definition of this tag. Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3933432097 I mean that the right way is like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3583040676 Even the the tag railway=border is used in wrong way I think. Is this meant for federals state borders? Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2437528281 What do you all think? Regards, Eckhard https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/EM311

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Track missing
by Eckhard M 23 May '20

23 May '20

Hi all, I am wondering why the railway track 6949 is not shown in ORM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7905077#map=14/54.1293/12.2472&layer… Any ideas?

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Re: Adding usage tag for multiple ways
by Jeroen Wegdam 22 May '20

22 May '20

Dear Peter, The issue you describe is familiar to me. The UK OSM ways contain a lot of irregular tag combinations like usage=yard and usage=cargo. The last couple of months I’ve been working on these issues (along with adding speed limits) in England, Wales and Scotland. I hope that it is already solving more and more of the problems you describe. If you want to contribute, I would recommend to install and use JOSM (https://josm.openstreetmap.de/). It allows you to download specific relations/ways/nodes from the OSM database through queries. Another possibility is to search the data you downloaded for specific properties. You can use these features to look problematic properties like “railway=rail -usage=* -service=*”. When you found the ways, you can add the appropriate tags. If you need further help on this, feel free to let me know. Best regards, Jeroen > Op 19 mei 2020 om 14:57 heeft Rolf Eike Beer <eike(a)sf-mail.de> het volgende geschreven: > > Am Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020, 12:33:38 CEST schrieb osm(a)peterrobins.co.uk: >> I've been looking at OpenRailwayMap for GB, where I live. I thought at first >> that it was missing numerous lines, but on investigating further I find >> that this is because large numbers of ways have no usage tag, and it looks >> like OpenRailwayMap only shows lines which are not tagged as 'main' or >> 'branch' when you are zoomed right in. Having to edit each way separately >> would be a large amount of work, especially as lines often consist of >> multiple ways. What's the simplest way of (a) finding which ways don't >> currently have it, and (b) adding the appropriate tag? Without it, I fear >> that OpenRailwayMap is of limited use. > > I'm not entirely sure if I understand your problem. It may be one of the > following 3 (or something entirely different of course): > > -lines with both usage as well as service are not shown: this is a tagging > mistake and we force users to correct there things with that > > -lines without usage are not shown at low zoom levels. Things without usage > are likely minor tracks, drawing them on low zoom levels would clutter the > output and slow down the renderer. If it's important, it probably _is_ a main > or branch line. > > -lines with some special usage values (like military) are permitted to also > have service tagged, but they are currently not rendered (https://github.com/ > OpenRailwayMap/OpenRailwayMap-CartoCSS/issues/7)

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Adding usage tag for multiple ways
by osm＠peterrobins.co.uk 22 May '20

22 May '20

I've been looking at OpenRailwayMap for GB, where I live. I thought at first that it was missing numerous lines, but on investigating further I find that this is because large numbers of ways have no usage tag, and it looks like OpenRailwayMap only shows lines which are not tagged as 'main' or 'branch' when you are zoomed right in. Having to edit each way separately would be a large amount of work, especially as lines often consist of multiple ways. What's the simplest way of (a) finding which ways don't currently have it, and (b) adding the appropriate tag? Without it, I fear that OpenRailwayMap is of limited use.

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Lifecycle tagging: tram or rail?
by gregretro-maps＠yahoo.com 09 May '20

09 May '20

Greetings! - new member from the US here. I'm going through and fixing abandoned and razed railways that I added in the past, making sure that the lifecycle tags "abandoned:railway" and "disused:railway" are present and accurate. One annoying issue that I can't resolve - what to tag when a route formerly featured tram AND freight operations. Does "rail" serve as the hierarchical top level, so that if the line operated as a standard rail line at any time, any other service is ignored? I'm assuming that a tag of "rail;tram" is not acceptable. Thanks! GR

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Platforms & covered=yes / Bahnsteige & covered=yes
by Jonaes02 08 May '20

08 May '20

Hello all, from time to time I stumble across railway platforms which are tagged with covered=yes. Is this tagging right, even if there is a separaly mapped roof (which does not cover the whole platform)? According to the German Wikipage ("Has this platform a roof" / The English page says "Is the platform covered?" which doesn't help me) I'd say yes, but I understand the covered-Tag different, and with this tag the platforms aren't rendered by Mapnik. Greetings, Jannis (Jonaes) ———— Hallo zusammen, ich sehe immer mal wieder Bahnsteige, die mit covered=yes getaggt sind. Ist dieses Tagging richtig, auch wenn es ein separat gemapptes Bahnsteigdach gibt, welches nicht den gesamten Bahnsteig überdeckt? Nach der Beschreibung auf der Wikiseite würde ich denken ja ("Ist der Bahnsteig überdacht"), aber ich verstehe das Konzept von covered eigentlich anders, und die Bahnsteige werden von Mapnik auch nicht gerendert. Grüße Jannis (Jonaes)

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ICE line disappeared during renovation
by Eckhard M 07 May '20

07 May '20

Hi all, I just realized that the ICE railway Mannheim-Stuttgart almost disappeared from OSM. Due to the renovation works somebody changed it to railway=construction (e.g. see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/156403088) Is it the right idea to mark railways as construction during renovation works like that? What do you think? Best, Eckhard https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/EM311

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adding new tag
by Natfoot 06 May '20

06 May '20

Hello Discussion, I would like to add new tags to open railway map and osm. I am a railroader in the usa and have specific knowledge to add. Reading the documentation is my first order of business to better understand where we are with tagging. I would like to start with adding train control like etcs in Germany to the USA rail network. We of course have other train control systems that may be similar or different. I would be accepting of the input of tagging for osm and how to add information to open railway map. best regards, Nathan Proudfoot https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Natfoot email: natfoot(a)gmail.com

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