8:46 a.m.
(resend due to technical difficulties)
Hello,
I just wanted to ask about the current state of the proposal in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_talk:Railway:train_protection
. It very much seems that (as many additional train protection systems
are added to openrailwaymap) the issue is quite relevant and it would be
very helpful to be a step further. What do you think? How to push it a
bit more?
Or differently asked: What is missing to step further?
Best regards
Björn
Am 24.04.23 um 10:00 schrieb 1993matiaslq(a)gmail.com:
> Patrik Ekengren wrote:
>
>>> The underlying issue here is that rendering the safety system as
>>> "ATC" on
>>> the map is ambiguous for most people. ATC is not only the common name of
>>> the national system in several countries, it could also be
>>> interpreted as
>>> an umbrella term for train protection systems.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the current rendering cannot stay. It should be changed to
>>> (my preference) Ebicab 700, or alternatively ATC-2 Sweden or
>>> similar. This
>>> to avoid any confusion with other systems with similar names.
>> Adding "Sweden" is somewhat confusing, since it is also used in
Norway.
>> Perhaps ATC-2/Ebicab 700 would be a better option, and use the same
>> rendering for Sweden, Norway, Bulgaria and Portugal. At least now,
>> the same
>> colour is used in Portugal, Sweden and Norway.
> "ATC-2/Ebicab 700" really looks like a compromise solution. It's not
> elegant, even though it does solve the issue. But it doesn't seem like
> there are other, more elegant solutions here (unless simply Ebicab 700
> is used, but that's twisting facts a bit, apparently).
>
> There is also still the question about the Norwegian systems FATC and
> DATC. While FATC is still ATC-2/Ebicab 700, DATC is different in some
> way. I have not found out exactly what the *technical* difference is,
> whether any ATC-2/Ebicab 700 equipped train would understand DATC
> telegrams or not. Would it make sense to map it as a separate safety
> system? (In my opinion yes, as it is differentiated in the rules).
>
> Have you edited Swedish railway lines to include railway:atc=yes ? I
> would like more than two opinions on this - especially if we want to
> reach an agreement on how to change the tag. Otherwise they could just
> revert the changes.
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