Am Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2023, 17:58:01 CEST schrieb Björn Mahrt:

Hello,

I just wanted to ask about the current state of the proposal in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_talk:Railway:train_protection . It very much seems that (as many additional train protection systems are added to openrailwaymap) the issue is quite relevant and it would be very helpful to be a step further. What do you think? How to push it a bit more?

Or differently asked: What is missing to step further?

An agreement on the systems. Both the table on the actual proposal page as well as the discussion page is quite long and has many valid concerns about how things should be tagged. This starts with something simple like ETCS.

I'm very much in favor if we strip this down to a second, simplified proposal that covers the "no" case (as that really helps cleaning up the quite messy database queries we already have) and maybe those that we can get a broad agreement on. This will likely include ETCS, and maybe the German systems as to my limited understanding they are a vendor independent standard across the country. Systems that are delivered by only a single vendor, and wher the same thing is sold under the same name with different configurations to differrent railway operators are… quite another mess. I think if we first want to reach consensus on them the basic proposal will never land.

And then we could ship validator rules that just warn for any tag outside the agreed ones to avoid too much noise sneaking into the database.

Greetings,

Eike