12:28 a.m.
Dear contributors,
while the WMS of the milestones (slice 1) ought to be being developed, I decided to
introduce you guys to slice 2. The proposal that I'm about to present is about the
Dutch equivalent of Betriebsstelle: dienstregelingspunten. Freely translated, this means
timetable-nodes. The English equivalent is the collection of yards, junctions, sidings and
moveable bridges (note that yards and sidings are distinguished in the Dutch
definition). The (open) data which I have available offers us X and Y coordinates (Dutch
RD system), names and abbreviations.
My proposal is to make a .shp file out of this (with coordinate conversion) using QGIS,
import that into JOSM and upload it directly on to the OSM server. And of course,
let's not get ahead of ourselves: I'll make sure to follow the proper procedures,
like I described them many times:
Check for existing data using overpass turbo
Treat existing data with care (manually)
Write a proposal to the imports mailing list in accordance with the import guidelines
Thank you in advance for your feedback and have a nice continuation of your weekends.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
8:14 a.m.
Am Samstag, 2. Mai 2015, 22:28:43 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
Dear contributors,
while the WMS of the milestones (slice 1) ought to be being developed, I
decided to introduce you guys to slice 2. The proposal that I'm about to
present is about the Dutch equivalent of Betriebsstelle:
dienstregelingspunten. Freely translated, this means timetable-nodes. The
English equivalent is the collection of yards, junctions, sidings and
moveable bridges (note that yards and sidings are distinguished in the
Dutch definition).
So, what exactly will that look like? One point per "station", that would
match what we have as railway=station (or halt, or service_station)? For those
elements the node is placed "in the center of the object", so I guess any
coordinate you would give us would be fine.
Greetings,
Eike
P.S.: Alexander is currently very busy, and I'm not a railway expert, so I
held back with answering. Your mail was not lost, but I expect it to take a
bit to get a broader discussion.
11:55 a.m.
Good afternoon Eike,
Op 7 mei 2015 om 08:14 heeft Rolf Eike Beer <eike(a)sf-mail.de>
het volgende geschreven:
Am Samstag, 2. Mai 2015, 22:28:43 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
> Dear contributors,
>
> while the WMS of the milestones (slice 1) ought to be being developed, I
> decided to introduce you guys to slice 2. The proposal that I'm about to
> present is about the Dutch equivalent of Betriebsstelle:
> dienstregelingspunten. Freely translated, this means timetable-nodes. The
> English equivalent is the collection of yards, junctions, sidings and
> moveable bridges (note that yards and sidings are distinguished in the
> Dutch definition).
So, what exactly will that look like? One point per "station", that would
match what we have as railway=station (or halt, or service_station)? For those
elements the node is placed "in the center of the object", so I guess any
coordinate you would give us would be fine.
You can consider the data as a collection of names for points of interest along the
railway, which the operator uses to construct a smooth timetable. For more info on the
subject, you could consult
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Operating_Sites, where the
tagging of these nodes is described. I already tested two locations:
• http://puu.sh/hExsV/47862d83d4.jpg shows an example of a cargo yard near Rotterdam.
• http://puu.sh/hExu2/8f324e6bc0.jpg is a junction near Amersfoort.
My main question is: assuming that everything will be done in accordance with the import
guidelines and ORM tagging scheme, would you agree on an automated import of these nodes?
P.S.: Alexander is currently very busy, and I'm not a railway
expert, so I
held back with answering. Your mail was not lost, but I expect it to take a
bit to get a broader discussion.
That is understandable. I'll try to explain everything in plain English. If you have
any questions on the technical side of the story, I'll by happy to answer them.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
9:10 p.m.
Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2015, 11:55:39 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
Good afternoon Eike,
> Op 7 mei 2015 om 08:14 heeft Rolf Eike Beer <eike(a)sf-mail.de> het volgende
> geschreven:>
> Am Samstag, 2. Mai 2015, 22:28:43 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
>> Dear contributors,
>>
>> while the WMS of the milestones (slice 1) ought to be being developed, I
>> decided to introduce you guys to slice 2. The proposal that I'm about to
>> present is about the Dutch equivalent of Betriebsstelle:
>> dienstregelingspunten. Freely translated, this means timetable-nodes. The
>> English equivalent is the collection of yards, junctions, sidings and
>> moveable bridges (note that yards and sidings are distinguished in the
>> Dutch definition).
>
> So, what exactly will that look like? One point per "station", that would
> match what we have as railway=station (or halt, or service_station)? For
> those elements the node is placed "in the center of the object", so I
> guess any coordinate you would give us would be fine.
You can consider the data as a collection of names for points of interest
along the railway, which the operator uses to construct a smooth timetable.
For more info on the subject, you could consult
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Operating_Sites,
where the tagging of these nodes is described. I already tested two
locations:
• http://puu.sh/hExsV/47862d83d4.jpg shows an example of a cargo yard near
Rotterdam. • http://puu.sh/hExu2/8f324e6bc0.jpg is a junction near
Amersfoort.
My main question is: assuming that everything will be done in accordance
with the import guidelines and ORM tagging scheme, would you agree on an
automated import of these nodes?
I'm probably no authority, but for me this sounds as it is in accordance with
our tagging scheme. I would suggest you show a small piece of (OSM) data on
the import wiki page to make it easier to see if your new nodes are "sound".
Eike
11:36 p.m.
Hello Eike,
thanks for the suggestion. I'll take it into account. You guys can expect a proposal
to the imports mailing list within 3 weeks.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
Op 10 mei 2015 om 21:10 uur uur schreef Rolf Eike Beer <eike(a)sf-mail.de>:
Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2015, 11:55:39 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
Good afternoon Eike,
Op 7 mei 2015 om 08:14 heeft Rolf Eike Beer <eike(a)sf-mail.de>
het volgende
geschreven:>
Am Samstag, 2. Mai 2015, 22:28:43 schrieb JJJ Wegdam:
> Dear contributors,
>
> while the WMS of the milestones (slice 1) ought to be being developed, I
> decided to introduce you guys to slice 2. The proposal that I'm about to
> present is about the Dutch equivalent of Betriebsstelle:
> dienstregelingspunten. Freely translated, this means timetable-nodes. The
> English equivalent is the collection of yards, junctions, sidings and
> moveable bridges (note that yards and sidings are distinguished in the
> Dutch definition).
So, what exactly will that look like? One point per "station", that would
match what we have as railway=station (or halt, or service_station)? For
those elements the node is placed "in the center of the object", so I
guess any coordinate you would give us would be fine.
You can consider the data as a collection of names for points of interest
along the railway, which the operator uses to construct a smooth timetable.
For more info on the subject, you could consult
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Operating_Sites,
where the tagging of these nodes is described. I already tested two
locations:
• http://puu.sh/hExsV/47862d83d4.jpg shows an example of a cargo yard near
Rotterdam. • http://puu.sh/hExu2/8f324e6bc0.jpg is a junction near
Amersfoort.
My main question is: assuming that everything will be done in accordance
with the import guidelines and ORM tagging scheme, would you agree on an
automated import of these nodes?
I'm probably no authority, but for me this sounds as it is in accordance with
our tagging scheme. I would suggest you show a small piece of (OSM) data on
the import wiki page to make it easier to see if your new nodes are "sound".
Eike
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